Posts Tagged Online Poker

Increasing interest for poker bots

As you might be aware I have blogged a lot bout our Poker Bot Project. I decided to do a little searching on the net to see if it would actually be possible to sell our poker bot in the end and it looks like there is actually a lot of interest. After taking a look at Google trends and comparing the interest for poker bots compared to poker in general the bots are (of course smaller though) increasing during the summer compared to poker. A lot of articles about poker bots have been written the last few months and one of my favourites (because it is not very argumentative but sticking to facts) is Poker Bots myth or reality.

If you are interested too I’d like to show you the Poker Bot article series:

  • The Poker Bot
  • Gathering data for the poker bot
  • Post-flop
  • Cheating Party Poker
  • Why we wanted a SNG poker bot
  • Poker Bot Strategy
  • More rooms for the bot

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The traffic on all the poker sites (data)

Found an extremely interesting article on how much traffic each poker site has. It doesn’t show the number of players or even the people using the client but it shows how many visitors their sites have. One interesting fact is that Pokerstars have a bit less traffic than expected. They are the pokerroom  with the most players but they probably just don’t visit the wibsite to often.

Well here is the article: Total Traffic on all Poker Sites

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More rooms for the bot

The seventh article about our Poker bot.

One of the big things when you want to avoid detection is not playing to long. Even if the bot can play 65 hours with interupts it’s not a good idea. This is a rookie mistake when it comes to botting and the poker rooms Do keep track of this. The problem for most poker bots is that since they don’t make much money they need to grind a lot. Solving this is not rocket science though.

Tactics for solving the “long grind”-problem.

Let the bot connect and disconnect on it’s own. If the bot logs on, sits down at a few tables for 4 hours before it disconnects automaticly it doesn’t look weird. It’s a problem that you can’t keep the account alive more than that becasue it will lessen your profit but it’s a must.

Let several bots play at the same room. The bot can run several accounts simultaneous without problem, the problem here is to have several accounts. You need more than 1 identity for this but it’s fairly easy. It’s important to keep track of what proxies you use for it too. Don’t want to use spammy ones so the best is to set up your own.

The smartest way is to expand in more poker networks. Let the bot play at several networks, with one proxy and 2 identities you can play 14 accounts as once if the bot can handle 7 networks. We had more identities than that and more servers to use but we still wanted to expand it.

Which poker networks do we select?

We decided we wanted to hit Ongame Network and Microgaming because they were already familiar to me. Ongame have among others, Betsson, Pokerroom and Pokerloco. Microgaming have among others Unibet, Doyles Room and Betway, all of the mentioned rooms where I have played or actively play.

The problem here is that Ongame Network banned Rakeback but there are sites there that can offer pretty decent bonuses anyway so we thought it a good choice.

Upgrade of the bot this time:

The bot now connects to 3 poker rooms with 1 or 2 accounts on each, it will play for 2-6 hours (you can set this number or let it be random). It makes 1 or 2 five minute breaks (they are a bit random long but aprox 5 min) each session and then it disconnects to rest til the next day.

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US poker players

The US poker players are worth more money to the poker rooms than the European poker players. At first you might think that this is because they have more money to spend on poker but that is just not true. Europeans spend as much or in some cases more money playing poker than the US players. The reason is that the competition on the US market is less because of the strict rules. Most poker rooms pulled out of the US market and now there is only a handfull left. This makes the players less willing to move once they signed up for a poker room. They will play on the same site for a longer time than the more agile European players.

This is the reason poker rooms are more willing to pay for US players than for their European friends. The poker rooms accepting US players can sometimes give you as much as $250 for a player while in Europe it is rare with anything higher than $150. The US market is a much more dangerous market than Europe but the rewards are bigger both for the poker rooms and for the affiliates.

Targeting the US market with your affiliate business is not as risky as targeting it with your poker room. Even if you are the kind of person that would never start a poker room targeting US players you might want to consider doing it with your affiliate site. On the other hand Europe is a big enough market to make a whole lot of money so it might be smart to stay safe and leave the US players where they are.

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Rakeback – poker bonus that the rooms hate

The poker rooms try to move players from the other rooms to their own, this is basic marketing. If you manage to target people that already play a lot you can increase your market share fairly easy. This is all sound and good, it’s the market. There is one small problem for the poker rooms and the networks though; spending marketing money to get players from the other rooms in the network is in the perspective of the network something that just costs money. All the players in the network rake and a part of that goes to the network. spending money to move one player from one room in the network to another decreases the total profit in the network.

Rakeback is the worst way of doing this. Rakeback takes large chunk from the revenue and has a tendency to just move players from the room in the network that attracts the new players to the rooms in the network that gives rakeback. All the high raking players end up on the rakeback rooms decreasing the total profit with a large chunk.

Most of the networks doesn’t allow rakeback for this reason. The problem for them is that as long as some do, they will lose customers to those who do.

For the players though, rakeback is the good shit. Playing with a 50% rakeback deal can make all the difference, your profits will soar. Imagine playing as you usually do, even if you’re just a break even player, you might rake $1000 a month. $1000 is not in any way a big rake for a player playing every night and rakeback might move you from a guy that plays for fun in to a guy that get a check of $500 every month.

Online poker suffer a lot from Rakeback but online poker players benefit a lot.
And, if we are being honest here, who cares about the poker rooms, $500 is $500.

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Angry Fish is not Shark

Long before I started playing online poker I played several other online games, unlike most players I play more for the game itself than for the money. It doesn’t have to be poker for me, any competitive game with lots of experienced players give me the same rush as poker. I have a different view on how you play to win.

I learned from one of the most competitive games there is how to trick a player so that you can beat him over and over again. There are a few ways to trick your opponent to come back even though he is beaten. My favorite is to play weak (you can do the same by by being cocky in a special way). If it seems like he was very close to beat you he will come back, if he thinks you were only lucky than he knows he will outsmart you the next time. Win on the lucky hands and you’ll make more money. Limp in on small pairs and hit the trip, if you limp in enough you will do it a couple of times, fold everything where you don’t hit and beat him badly when you do. Ok, it’s not always the best strategy statisticly but it is a good strategy to make them drop you those extra dollars.

If they feel you are lucky, they might be cocky or they might get mad, if they get mad and don’t leave you can beat them for everything they have. Angry fish are not sharks.

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Why we wanted a SNG poker bot

The fifth article about Poker bots.

I think it’s time to give you the reasons for wanting to build a poker bot that playes sit and go tournaments. The thing is that we weren’t sure we could make a good enough player out of our bot. We are had a feeling that we didn’t know enough of the theory in poker strategy. Being a good poker player doesn’t automaticly mean that you are good at the theory (this goes both ways of course). When it comes to small tournaments though there is a stupid as strategy that we could easily reproduce in a bot. Go all in almost all the time, it’s not at all as stupid as it sounds, there is a pretty decent chance of winning if it is a shorthanded sng. We thought that we could start with a bot like that and if it was even to poor at that we could always let it play freerolls. Think about it a bot that plays exetremely agressive in all the freerolls on the net… His chances are a bit better than a bad player and he what he does is that he forces the play towards the lottery side. It’s extremely hard to play good against a player like that.

At this point however it changed, we got support of a really talented poker player/programmer that had previously built a well known poker software. A poker odds calculator if you wish. Here we decided to change the bot in to being a Cash game poker pot.

The next article is a bout how we started setting up the strategy of the bots play.

Poker bot strategy

We had already set it up to rank starting hands properly, what we did now was slow it down a bit. It’s not realistic to go about a cash game as aggressively as a short handed SNG.

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